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Irene P Stoller's avatar

I'm still in shock about all the coverage (not just at the Times ) that claims that Vance "won" the debate. Since when is lying in almost every answer "winning" a debate? I'd call it running away from a debate. How low have we sunk here. He didn't answer the questions and whatever answers he gave were mostly lies.

But I want to take it a step further and also complain about Ross Douthat's appalling column that showed up halfway through the debate where he claimed that Vance blew Walz away. No apologies today as far as I can tell about rushing off to bed instead of honestly reporting Vance's complete meltdown at the end. All this may be par for the course these days but here's what I still find hard to comprehend. Douthat is the Time's resident conservative Christian as a convert to traditionalist Catholicism. Vance is his friend and co-religionist and also a convert. I spent many years teaching at a Jesuit university. I am not Catholic and certainly don't agree with a lot of Catholic theology. But there are two things I admired all the years I was there: an emphasis on honesty and an emphasis on serving the poor and immigrant communities in a way that honors them as decent human beings. How can a professed Catholic smear immigrant communities the way Vance does which is nothing but full on hatred and lies and how can Douthat admire a man of such hatred and say that he "won" a debate in which almost every question was treated as an opportunity to trash immigrants? Why is this man still a columnist at the Times?

There was one bright light, though, at the Times today and that was Masha Gessen's column. She nailed it.

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Keith Wheelock's avatar

Jim The placement of stories, especially headlines, can have a major impact on ‘readers’ who simply scan the news. Since I no longer watch cable news, I have no personal opinion on daily shows.

What strikes me about media coverage of the presidential election is the focus on spot news rather then a sharp focus on character which, for me as a 90-year-old, is critical for a president, a banker, or a father.

Regarding character, including core principles and accomplishments, I compare Trump and Harris.

Clearly one has the character and core principles for a person entrusted with the presidency. Trump clearly does not.

Why does this not appear obvious in daily news reporting (as distinct from editorials)? Catchy headlines and story placement are distracting and, in some instances, deliberate obfuscation of important news.

As a professor, I swiftly was able to identify those students who had the character and the sticktoitness to excel and those who were skimming and lacked core principles, including as it related to plagiarism.

The same character yardstick should be applied to vice presidential candidates. That Vance was a slicker Yale Law School debater than Governor Walz was in many headlines. It took some digging to discover that Governor Walz dealt principally with substance as it related to programs of Harris (Biden) and what he is accomplishing in Minnesota.

By contrast, chameleon Vance was seeking to ‘soften’ the harshness of Trump’s pronounced policies and smilingly often responded with lies and bizarre misstatements.

Jim, you are far more knowledgeable than us about the inner intrigues of the media business. How can the American public AT A GLANCE appreciate the core character differences in this 2024 presidential race?

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